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Ditto -

Thank you Ford!

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I used to see my most profound spiritual experience as a particular meeting with past Eck Masters on a breathtakingly beautiful inner plane.  But this experience paled in comparison to the one of being informed of Ford’s departure from Eckankar, and the circumstances that precipitated his departure. I felt a jolt of spiritual panic, like being hit by lightening.  It was like someone had ripped the very earth from under my feet, leaving me adrift, un-tethered, with not a shred of spiritual fiber to hold on to. If not for Ford’s book Confessions, I might still be drifting.  His book dispelled the illusion of me needing a master in order to further realize my spiritual potential, thus, setting me on firm spiritual ground again, and setting me free to be the unique soul that I am.  

I know that there is still a lot of ill will toward Eckankar and its present and former leaders.  The revelations contained in Confessions left a lot of people feeling misled and deceived by Eckankar.  However, it is essential spiritually that we be free of such feelings; so I would suggest that those of us who still have them pound away as necessary until these feelings are satisfied.  And when we’re done, we can look around and see what we have gained as a result of the Eckankar experience.  We have in fact graduated to a new spiritual plane, a new level of realization and expression of the Infinite.  It is an extraordinary experience for me. I feel like I’ve taken my first steps into an infinitely Greater Universe, where absolutely nothing stands between me and All That Is.  I can now devote my full spiritual attention to the continuing journey, taking with me the lessons of the past.  

The whole of life, in all its varied expression, is about one thing – the expansion of consciousness.  It may not be as evident on the human level; but from the spiritual view, consciousness is indeed expanding.  We in HCS are evidence of this fact.  Eckankar is now seen for what it is – just another of many limited spiritual ideals struggling to contain this expanding consciousness.  But consciousness will not be contained.  We have outgrown the Eckankar consciousness; hence, our departure from Eckankar was inevitable, brought on by the movement of Spirit, Itself.  The Greater Self, in Its own time and method, has pushed each of us to a new plane; and now, at a new level of expression, we can build upon this new plane creations of our unique design.

I am an individual spirit on a mission of seeking an ever greater expression of the Higher Self.  The fact is, many valuable spiritual insights I have found in this lifetime to date has come from the works OF Paul Twitchell (though they may not be BY Paul Twitchell).  I really couldn’t care less if spiritual insights came from Eck Master Paul Twitchell or Rap Master Snoop Dogg.  If it brings me a broader view of The Infinite, then I embrace it, because I am interested in only that which leads to greater spiritual realization.  I no longer feel in any way misled or betrayed by Harold Klemp, Paul Twitchell, or Eckankar.  I have moved on, and my mission remains the same as it has always been:  the further expansion of consciousness and the further expression of the Higher Self.

Like most other people in the world, I have struggles in my life.  But spiritual identity is not one of them.  I am truly grateful for the fact that I am finally and without question, a free spirit.  Ford has delivered unto me the key to unlock the remaining shackle from my spiritual limbs.  I’ll not spend time and energy to beat the shackle that held me prisoner.  I’m far too interested in discovering what other spiritual treasures are out here.

Zhu Liu

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Greetings, all,

I think of poetry as the way to "speak singingly." Very special for all who know this kind of slow talk.

And so . . . enjoy the interlude?

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A SUNDAY MORNING FOR A FANTAST

I could go up in smoke, glad over the day's
opalescent air. I might expire in a musical blaze –
a new sun, filling everyone up with plans to give out
the absolute choral news, equal to the top stories of any nation.
The wars. The architectural triumphs. My news?

My death, my infinite insurrection to resurrection outside skies.
Or I might slip a disk into the plastic player: Mozart. The Great Mass –
to render the day sky a temple dome; to bring on my entertaining the cat
with a string along the floor, till my wife appears and shuts the music,

graphically disturbed at my setting out the wrong food for “kitty.”
The finale? My numb reaction to her flying hair – her words
with their tiny blades; her slicing the atmosphere with the flat swords
of her angel hands. I amble off to another church, my dream recalled –

where I'm flirting – or say I’m stricken down by holy lovelust
for my neighbor’s doe-smooth wife. My amorous-charged body
adrift all morning; distant animal desire. Ah, the black sea-centers
of her eyes, the Olympic curve of her hips. But decked out
in the weaving wreaths of Mozart, could I not be forgiven my dotty sins?

Could I be the full-bore Monteverdi Choir, gliding my glorious haze of voices
alongside a bursting orchestra? Some kind of delirious-cool sherbet till all hearts
manifest again and again in jets of careening-up sound? When the cat
settles into a ball, I might launch myself out from earth –
though someone down here’s bound to keep telling on me.

Hey, no matter; I’ll be my own speck of seeing, wandering
round the night stars, keeping haphazard watch on parti-colored bits of
breaking news below, knowing they’re all the same scraps,
so much alleyway tin for sale. Friends, this is the day I’ll give up

on everyone, be my own intensifying level of holy flame, this chanting, this sweet-lightning madness, this
Sanctus Sanctus de Deo for all time.



Tim Bellows
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I received several e-mails from those beginning their exploration of the inner worlds that wanted to know more about inner planes and dimensions of reality. This article written in 2004 speaks directly to this topic and is reposted to provide a response to these inquires.

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Here are a few insights from confessions that may be helpful in the discussion of planes and dimensions of reality. (To those who wish, an e-book version of Confessions, which is in adobe, allows you to search the entire book by word or phrase and not rely solely on the limited index) This passage and much of string theory supports the conclusion of different dimensions of reality, which differ in the level of vibration that they represent.

(From p 351 of Confessions)

“In recent years, the idea of different dimensions of reality — different planes — has found support in scientific literature. The scientific idea of parallel universes embraces this idea and is now considered “so real that we can reach out and touch them, and even use them to change our world.”15 David Deutsch of the University of Oxford asserts, “our universe is part of a multiverse, a domain of parallel universes that comprises ultimate reality.” According to New Scientist, Deutsch claims “For seventy years physicists have been hiding from it, but they can hide no longer.” The significance of this development is the view expressed by Deutsch and other scientists that the fate of universes can be molded and exploited. From a scientific perspective, the multiverse construct explains the perplexing mystery of why atoms behave so differently from the expectations of Newtonian physics or quantum mechanics, which have led to the scientific advances we have experienced as a civilization.
Quantum theory postulates that atoms can be in more than one place at a time. The mystery is that the atoms that compose the things that we see and use everyday can be in only one place at once, for instance a table. Yet, as we move into finer and finer levels of matter, the constituents of matter behave quite differently and cannot be explained by conventional quantum physics. We have seen that the holographic paradigm offers some explanation of this phenomenon but is not wholly satisfactory. The multiverse paradigm is not only consistent with the understanding put forth by spiritual travelers of the existence of inner planes, but also explains phenomena that cannot be explained by reference to a single universe construct.
The multiverse paradigm postulates that there is no difference in the application of quantum mechanics in the table and the microscopic universe of sub-atomic particles. If this is true, then atoms should still be able to exist in more than one place at a time. Yet this is not what we observe. However, the multiverse paradigm suggests that there is another table existing in another universe but the instruments of this universe cannot observe it. The astral world, by this description, contains a parallel reality for everything that exists in the physical world, including ourselves. By logical extension, there also are universes and dimensions, where every possibility already exists.
The implications of the multiverse paradigm are staggering. Yet these ideas are not new. They have been tenets of higher consciousness thought for millennia, yet the scientific community claims to have discovered them in 1957. But it is another example of how the separation of the two worlds works to the detriment of both. The mere articulation of this theory by science adds credibility to the self-evident awareness of spiritual teachers who have known and taught these principles for eons. On the other hand, the scientific community would do well to consider the perspective of spiritual teachers whose insights into existence continue to be well beyond these encouraging scientific steps. An enlightened view of this confluence would have both relating to each other far more than is apparent today. “
From the perspective of the inner traveler, these planes are merely part of a continuum much like a rainbow. One can’t tell exactly where one ends and another begins but we can perceive a distinct difference once we are past the transition point. We experience confirmation of this every night as we drift off into sleep i.e. from one dimension of reality to another. We cannot pinpoint when the transition actually occurs, we simply become aware of the fact that we are no longer in the physical and are functioning in another dimension.

This is also true of our passage to progressively higher levels of vibration on this continuum. Anyone who has experienced the phenomena of waking up in an inner experience believing that they were in the physical only to again awaken to another level of awareness has experienced this confirmation of different inner planes.  Eventually, they would awaken in the physical finally confirming to themselves that they had made the full transition but temporarily suspicious that yet another transition would occur. The same phenomenon occurs as one makes the upward journey into progressively higher levels of vibration. The issue of higher vs. lower planes as distinct form simply “different” is a valid point that can be explored at a later time but for now let us assume that at least the vibration level and nature of particle/wave/string matter is progressively smaller for this would coincide with the scientific postulates as well as the constructs of most spiritual travelers.  The similarity of these transitional experiences is thus some evidence of the existence of these stages along the continuum of consciousness.

Those who hold that these levels (planes) coincide with levels of consciousness and thought forms are correct for we travel and become what we are thinking and believe.  We resonate with the plane or level of consciousness with which we are in harmony.

Now as for the so-called lower psychic phenomena and psychic powers, a few points should be made. First, these phenomena are part of our inherent arsenal to learn and demonstrate if we choose. They are useful and as ubiquitous to the apparatus of soul and the many other capabilities that we have but seldom use. The danger that we were always taught was that these were lower aspects of ourselves that need not be developed for they would pull our attention away from our final goal of God Realization. This is true to a great degree but it is a greatest danger to the individual who lacks a universal higher consciousness perspective and sees these physic phenomena as ends in themselves rather than merely skill, abilities and talents that one learns on his or her way to becoming one with ALL THAT IS and a teacher in the Great Work. With out the knowledge and ability to utilize all of the faculties of soul while in the physical or other shells have not utilized all of the opportunities while occupying a physical shell for our spiritual development and exploration. Indeed we can become to overbalanced in the physical not aware of or able to utilize the incredible powers with which we are endowed.  

Developing these capabilities can be seen as merely realizing our full capacity as soul incarnate in a physical shell. With the perspective of higher consciousness one can pursues the development of these skills rather than simply adoring their manifestation in others. Our goal is to experience and live from the highest form of ourselves that is possible, developing and utilizing all or as much of the divine capabilities that we possess.

The simplicity of planes with their supposed demarcations has some truth to it but these too are the creations of souls who have chosen to manifest at various levels of awareness.  Thus, planes and the cities and other sites that occur there are created in the same manner as the cities and towns on this plane, i.e., they represent the collective agreement of its denizens to man

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I occasionally stop and take stock of my position in life, a sweeping over-the-shoulder view of the past that has evolved me into who I am today.  It has been, and continues to be an extraordinary journey, because of the many and varied experiences I’ve had, and more importantly, because of the astounding realizations they have unveiled.  I’m not looking for a spiritual mission in life.  My experiences tell me that life itself is a spiritual mission.  I’m convinced that the true value of having lived this lifetime will not be measured in what I might have accumulated or accomplished; rather, it will be measured in the level of consciousness I have attained as a result of having lived this lifetime.      

I’ve come to define success in my life as an ability to orchestrate a variety of interests in a synergistic way.  Ideally, they all should compliment each other, contribute to each other, harmonize with each other; and ultimately, they should all dove-tail into furthering the single spiritual goal of expressing the Greater Soul in ever greater measure.  I measure success in my life mostly in the degree of freedom I enjoy.  I look about me now, and see only infinity where once there were walls and barriers on all sides, from religion, to politics, to tradition, and so on and on.  They once surrounded me like a minefield; but now, there are no hazards, no entrapments.  I can breathe deeper than the heavens, and stretch myself as far and wide as I can imagine.

I view all of life as a continuing spiritual experience; hence, I see every moment of life as having spiritual implications.  Experiences, whether perceived as success or failure, provide the constant moving and stretching of conscious that continually expands our awareness of who and what we are.  Whether the implications are good or bad depends upon the significance we place upon success.  Some people place certain dimensions around success and strive to stay within these dimensions.  Such an act serves only to imprison them in a static state of consciousness, limiting their ability to evolve further (a prison of gold is still a prison).  But then, there are those who measure success (or failure) only in moments, and use that moment’s experience to be better prepared for the next. Hence, they continually evolve, consciously and spiritually.

Fulfillment for me may have once been a feeling; but now, it is most surely an awareness.  There is this awesome awareness that I am finally where I should be spiritually, giving me the power to lay to rest all other issues in my life.  In this awareness, nothing else matters, except for the relevance I choose to give it.  

How do I know I’m where I should be spiritually?  The most telling reason is that I have no questions, and I have no mysteries.  But there is another.  There are passages in the Bible that still inspire me, one of them being something like “seek ye first the kingdom of heaven, and all other things will be given unto thee.”  I have found this to be true.  As a child, my greatest confusion and fear was trying to understand the concept of a god that let evil people rule my world, a god that, no matter how long and hard I prayed, never rescued me from punishment, even for the things that I didn’t do.  This drove me to lose faith in the traditional god concept and seek a god that I could understand.  The road since has been long and winding; but the resulting spiritual peace and serenity that surrounds and envelopes me today is evidence that I have indeed found and followed the right spiritual course for me.  

Are such impulses an aspect of everyone’s life whether they recognize it or not?  I hesitate to speak in general terms when the subject is spiritual, because it is an intimately personal affair.  Beyond the awareness that everything and everyone is spiritually an expression of the One, I see only uniqueness.  Evolution is very much alive in the extraordinary range of consciousness that exists in humanity.  I see people created equally as souls only; from that point on, it’s a matter of conscious evolution.  

Life is only one, and we are the innumerable expressions of Life, with the ultimate purpose of ever greater expression of It.  Hence, spiritual success is the only success, and it is only a success of the moment, which must yield to the very next moment.  
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On the Eckankar.org website is Klemp’s version of The Paul Twitchell Story. All sections were last modified on June 22, 2003 including the PT information that was shared in Eck Seminar talks from April 20, 1984 thru October 26, 1985.
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***Suggestion: Take the time to print out ALL of the “historic” Paul Twitchell documents on Eckankar.org before Klemp “modifies” them again!

HK: “By and large, Paul wrote for the people of his times… As the human race expands in consciousness to even the smallest degree, it calls for a like adjustment in the outer teachings of ECK… A Second Initiate from Paul’s day would be several notches lower in consciousness today... the fountainhead from which the ECK writings spring is the Ancient Gospel compiled by the Nine Silent Ones.”

[Me]: When did mankind last set foot on the moon? Where’s the Albert Einstein of today? Isn’t the Mahanta Consciousness supposed to be timeless? Didn’t Twitchell just record what the Nine Silent Ones compiled? However, if Klemp does believe what he just said about consciousness why then does he still reference “Stranger by the River” and the “Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad Books 1 & 2” or the BIBLE?” Why hasn’t Klemp written a new and improved Shariyat or his own version of Stranger by the River? How is quoting others from the past and distorting truth being the “Living Shariyat” or any different than what Twitchell did!

Klemp needs to come out of his cave or hole. The human race hasn’t expanded its consciousness much at all, if any, in the past 2000 years! It’s a façade (illusion) most people are seeing! And, according to Eck dogma this is the Kali Yuga not the Golden Age! Therefore, shouldn’t ignorance, crime, and hatred be increasing in the world in proportion to the population while higher consciousness is on the decline! Those Souls who have achieved a Higher Consciousness while on earth have left the others behind. It is no longer necessary for them to be here for more “purification.” Therefore, only a handful of advanced Souls usually stay behind to help the rest of us – and Klemp isn’t one of them!  :   )  

However, let me say that passiveness or tolerance of intolerance is Not an indication of expanded consciousness. And, Klemp obviously doesn’t understand that consciousness is relative to the individual more than to society and that the past does matter! There is a negative elitist mob or follower mentality within societies and religious groups and this negatively influences world and individual consciousness. Also, true consciousness is measured by more than increased literacy rates, materialism, and life expectancy. Klemp confuses advancements in trade, technology, infrastructure, and in public and private organizational structures to advancement in Spiritual (world) Consciousness. And, Consciousness is Not related to an initiation number either! HK’s proof of that! One cannot forever continue to use the imagination or dreams to deny or change the earthly lessons we all must face. Non-passive love is a key to higher consciousness.

Samuel Clemens lived 100 years ago and yet Klemp will never, in this lifetime, surpass him in writing ability or in consciousness! Klemp is several notches lower in consciousness today than Clemens (a.k.a. Mark Twain) was 100 years ago!

HK: “The writings of Paul Twitchell will be available for years to come, BUT they will always be secondary to the Living ECK Master of the times.”

[Me]: This is an obvious lie! Klemp has eliminated many of the works of Paul Twitchell. “Difficulties Of Becoming the Living ECK Master” is a very important and historical work that has been lost for Eckists. Klemp could reprint it along with other out-of-print works of Twitchell, but won’t dare to because people would then see Twitchell as he really was - a professional liar!
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Usually Skeptical
p.s. Here are two very good sites people may want to check out-
http://www.shmuley.com/articles.php?id=269
http://tinyurl.com/hw7p7






















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Why is that most people who believe in the theory of conspiracy tend to defend  Islam and also tend to have passionate hatred for Jews and Christians and are hundred percent anti America?

The religion of Islam is far more dangerous for Muslims than for non Muslims, this fact is obvious. The people who need to  save them selves from Islam are Muslims. Muslims kill fellow Muslims far more than they can afford to kill non Muslims.
Sunnis is by far a greater treat to the rest Muslims .
The Jews have learned over the years to defend them selves ,they have no illusions of the nature of Islam. Muslims who's gods have ordered to defend their religion by being on the offensive.

The religion of Islam  is undergoing a transformation which will either reform them  or wipe them  out.
The reason is  that by end of the day share force will be called in and of course the greater power will win. The earth was and is still a waring planet.

One woman that deserves my respect is Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the writer of Submission which was directed by late Van Gogh.An Islamic extremist  shot and stabbed van Gogh repeatedly, even as van Gogh pleaded for mercy. He pinned a note to his body addressed to writer Ayaan Hirsi Ali. It said that she would be destroyed, along with Holland and the United States.Van Gogh was murdered by a dedicated true Muslim who cannot be found guilty in the eye of those who believe in conspiracy theory because it boosts their course.
It puzzles that some women who are suppose to be educated can see nothing wrong in the way Islam treats women. The earth is full contradictions. These people are so offended by a simple criticism of Islam but can easily call Jesus a magician.
These women are so passionate about their husbands that to them their husbands are lords, and their hero and they always defend their lords  `"No one knows your heart or your intentions more than I do"

Just see how easy it for conspiracy theorist to find the "beauty" of Islam deliberately avoiding its true nature.. Does anybody have illusions that Islam is the world greatest problem, no  none expect Conspiracy theorist , the reason is that they go hand in hand, sharing  common enemies, AMERICANS , JEWS , and none Muslims.


"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

[Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945]

thanks DRD, the truth is that here on this BB the above statement does not apply. If it does Mario could have converted more people _than   you alone. But in spite of the fact that he kept hammering it down our throats most still reject  it. Maybe it was long enough for you to believe but certainly not me.



Lastly one need not read the Koran to see all the evils of Islam , just watch the Muslim world .To the couple who defend conspiracy and Islam,   go and read End of Faith. It will help you hate Jews, Christians are America more.

john paul Mykel




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I have been thinking about the current discussion topic on HCS: “The Nature of Success.” There are so many different aspects to what one might consider success. There are many different levels with spiritual success being the ultimate in importance. But how can one measure it?

Recently, I was away on a trip that had been planned much in advance. I was looking forward to spending some time with a special friend. My friend has been going through a year of living unhappily and having to make some difficult choices. I have tried to be supportive from afar while remaining non-judgmental as she makes her way through her personal hardships. We had both calendared a specific date and time to meet. Unfortunately, an emergency arose on my part, and I was only able to see my friend for a few brief minutes. She kindly understood the situation. As we quickly said our goodbyes, we consoled one another that on the next trip we would make up for this lost time together.

A few days later, I was preparing for my return trip home. I decided I would have an early lunch at a nice restaurant located in a large shopping complex near the airport. My flight was scheduled for mid afternoon. I was barely seated at my table when in walked my friend. Unbeknownst to either of us, we both found ourselves coincidentally together at this restaurant. My friend had traveled approximately 50 miles from her home to arrive at the exact same time as I was there. So, surprisingly we now had the gift of time to be together. Was this just an amazing coincidence?  Not really; rather I saw it as the greater power of love in this gift from Spirit—and recognized that when Souls are to meet, we will meet.

Perhaps, one could view this as a spiritual success story in that it demonstrates the power of Divine Spirit and Love. Even though, there was some sadness intertwined with the trip I had taken, I was reminded that there are always some Special Gifts that can be received which will ease a sorrow or hardship. Through the Grace of Spirit, this experience came about—there was no interceding Mahanta or any fake eck masters involved.  It was just my friend and me embracing one another directly through the Grace of Divine Spirit.  What a blessing and joy this marvelous touch of Spirit was for me!

Journey
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I don't understand why someone is as determined as those   Iraqi insurgence to turn this  site into another conspiracy site. Any one who knows how to open a computer can easily search thousands of websites that deals exclusively on that far better than our conspiracy  "teacher" here who takes it upon himself to lecture us on what we can easily obtain from the same source he copies from.

Isn't he paranoid? How can a sane man choose to be deaf and dumb , gnoring the simple rules and regulations that govern normal people? Keep your .... out this site? No,  he will never do that. Seeking for victims like a Pentecostal preacher who is so sure that Jesus will soon come back and wishes to save mankind from hell.

If one has paranoid delusions about world government  the person should stick to those numerous sites that deal exclusively on that. This site is not a conspiracy site, It is a spiritual truth seekers site and will remain so. Do u get that Mr MARIO?





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1 Call on its name always  ----To get the name of your higherself , take at least a week to prepare to receive the name from your higherself. Make a postulate that within 7 days the name of your higherself will be revealed to you. Every night before you sleep have a definite time when you sing the hum song. Sing it for at least 30 minutes but not more than 40 minutes. At the end of the hum song go into quiet contemplation for at least 10 minutes. During the contemplation imagine receiving a gift from your higherself in a white envelope. Open the envelope and behold the name of your higherself is written on a white sheet of paper.
2  Renew your spiritual strenght and stamina quartely either alone or with your spritual peers.
3  Keep your physical and astral body pure and healthy by not smoking, taking alcohol or indulging in extra marital affairs. If you are single stick to one partner.
4  Keep the flow of spirit swirling continuosly in your universe by practising your spritual exercises at least 3 times daily--  morning, afternoon and evening.
5  Thoughts energise your Higherself into action. Consciously control your thoughts through postulates.
6  Fill yourself with love to enable your higherself operate in your universe with it's full potentials and majestic splendor. To fill yourself with love simply sing love.
7 Giving energises the higerself  and the holy spirit  to manifest your mould faster in the phsical world. Giving re-enforces the flow of spirit into actualising your mould in the phsical world.
8 Authorities on your span of life are---
      i Your Higherself
      ii  You
      iii Holy Spirit
9 Higherself operates at it's best in your universe if all man's bodies are are in harmony with each other. To ensure this is so, let the vibratory rate of your higherself permeate always through your universe. The vibratory rate of your higherself could be any number between 1 to 9.  Use the same technique used for getting the name of your higherself to get the vibratory rate of your higherself.
10   Your Higherself will rule your universe if other  bodies of man are deadened. To achieve this sing the hum song always.
11 Meet your Higherself in the astral plane in its formless state as a globe of blue light. The meeting with your higherself in the astral plane kick starts the process of downloading the God knowledge into your consciousness from the Holy spirit through your higerself.ln  the pure spritual planes the higherself appears as pure white blinding light, like the light of a million suns concentrated as a unit of awareness.
12 Trust in the guidance of the higherself strenthens the connection between the higherself and our conscious self

SIX STREAMS OF ENERGY OF THE HIGHERSELF

The Higherself has six messengers assigned to it, Each messenger  actually is a stream of energy. To activate the streams of energy of the Higherself follow this procedure----
1Get the name of your higherself
2 Chant the name of your Higherself and ask for the names  of  each stream of energy.This must be done gradually. As you get each name practice sending them on errands. The errands must be that which benefits all. Each stream of energy has a specific function. With time you  will know the duties and functions of each stream of energy. lf you can effectively work with one you will become like a God that you really are. With time you will know the wavelenghts at which each stream of energy operates and the colour code

Wilson  


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